Is Sony IMX 327 planned for camera integration ?

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Is Sony IMX 327 planned for camera integration ?

Post by XS_MAN » Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:34 pm

Hi Sam, ;)
Hi All,

First, I wish you an Happy new Year 2018 !
Hopping a lot of new cameras with great sensors :P

I was thinking about "new" IMX327 sensor. It seems to have an impressive sensivitity.
71 dB gain is the most important gain value even seen until now. It suggests a very
low readout noise and I was wondering if this sensor will be evaluated ?

Many thanks.

Best.

Albéric

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Re: Is Sony IMX 327 planned for camera integration ?

Post by Sam » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:34 am

I think sony's global shutter sensor is not as good as their rolling shutter sensors

but we may try in the future
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Re: Is Sony IMX 327 planned for camera integration ?

Post by XS_MAN » Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:04 pm

Sam wrote:I think sony's global shutter sensor is not as good as their rolling shutter sensors
but we may try in the future
Hello Sam, ;)

I think you are mistaken with the IMX 42x "Pregius" global Shutter.

IMX 327 is a BSI "Starvis" sensor so as far as I know, it's a rolling shutter.
It's presented as the new generation "son" of IMX 290. Hoping that Sony will
have the good idea to offer a monochrome version of IMX 327 (??)...
On the paper, the color version has an impressive sensitivity (higher than IMX224 and IMX 385
if the value is normalized in mV/µm2) and SNR1s value of 0.17 for anti-reflective
coating version :

https://www.framos.com/en/news/sony-bri ... rveillance

For sure it's not the quickest sensor for bright planets imaging and it's low saturation
signal value make it not suitable for long exposure use. The most important is to know if it's
(or not) a great sensor for planets like Uranus, Neptune (and Saturn) and more important a
great sensor for DSO short exposures use ??

Thanks.
Best.

Albéric

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Re: Is Sony IMX 327 planned for camera integration ?

Post by MoonPrince » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:54 am

XS_MAN wrote:
Sam wrote:I think sony's global shutter sensor is not as good as their rolling shutter sensors
but we may try in the future
Hello Sam, ;)

I think you are mistaken with the IMX 42x "Pregius" global Shutter.

IMX 327 is a BSI "Starvis" sensor so as far as I know, it's a rolling shutter.
It's presented as the new generation "son" of IMX 290. Hoping that Sony will
have the good idea to offer a monochrome version of IMX 327 (??)...
On the paper, the color version has an impressive sensitivity (higher than IMX224 and IMX 385
if the value is normalized in mV/µm2) and SNR1s value of 0.17 for anti-reflective
coating version :

https://www.framos.com/en/news/sony-bri ... rveillance

For sure it's not the quickest sensor for bright planets imaging and it's low saturation
signal value make it not suitable for long exposure use. The most important is to know if it's
(or not) a great sensor for planets like Uranus, Neptune (and Saturn) and more important a
great sensor for DSO short exposures use ??

Thanks.
Best.

Albéric
I think we will take a look of it, if it have mono version, probobly we will make a new camera series.
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Re: Is Sony IMX 327 planned for camera integration ?

Post by miopic » Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:25 pm

I think we will take a look of it, if it have mono version, probobly we will make a new camera series
Two years have passed. Are you going to release the IMX327-based camera, especially taking into account that it is touted as the successor to IMX290 ?

Altair has released their camera, https://www.altairastro.com/gpcam2-327c ... 2522-p.asp

Although SONY has not released the mono version of the sensor, and you are not going to do colour...

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Re: Is Sony IMX 327 planned for camera integration ?

Post by Support1@ZWO » Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:05 am

Sorry we will not do IMX327 based camera now.

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Re: Is Sony IMX 327 planned for camera integration ?

Post by miopic » Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:53 am

So, you have released the IMX462-based colour camera, which is touted as the replacement for ASI290MC ?

I was interested in a larger sensor for EAA like IMX183. Are you going to release a colour camera based on IMX485 which would be kind of its replacement ?

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Re: Is Sony IMX 327 planned for camera integration ?

Post by Moson » Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:53 am

ASI462MC is not a replacement for ASI290MC. Each camera has its advantage, such as ASI290MC has high frame speed, while the ASI462MC is sensitive in near infrared light regions. And we will consider your suggestion.

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Re: Is Sony IMX 327 planned for camera integration ?

Post by XS_MAN » Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:53 pm

Hi all,

Why IMX485 ? You still have ASI 533 with a great sensor, having bigger pixels.
It's a very good sensor for EEA and have the same SNR1s value as IMX224/IMX385
(the best until now except new IMX482).

Albéric

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Re: Is Sony IMX 327 planned for camera integration ?

Post by miopic » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:29 am

Moson wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:53 am
ASI462MC is not a replacement for ASI290MC. Each camera has its advantage, such as ASI290MC has high frame speed, while the ASI462MC is sensitive in near infrared light regions. And we will consider your suggestion.

The ASI462MC product description says that it is an "upgrade" on ASI290MC:
With the ability in capturing infrared lights, the super high sensitivity and ultra low readout noise, this camera is considered as the upgraded version of ASI290MC, and will offer great performance for planetary imaging, solar and lunar imaging.
"Upgrade" sounded like a "replacement" to me.

I have been assembling a simple portable setup for EAA. I do not need cooled camera for that, as cooling adds the camera weight and battery. It adds complexity, too. While cooling is beneficial, one can live without it.

As a matter of fact, the uncooled ASI533MC would be good for EAA, but I got the response (above) that it was not in plans. The next best thing is an uncooled IMX485-based camera. The advantage might be its smaller pixel (2.9 um vs 3.76 um) which would make it better suitable to a short focal length telescope (400 -- 600 mm), although for EAA the pixel size is not as critical as for AP. "Live view" in near-IR would allow the observer to get through the dust clouds, although I am not sure if it adds much detail for the "wow" factor, I am just beginning in this area.

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